BUNGEE : so far we found out that in our clan the ppl will come online 20:00 gmt+1 (better would be 20:30) but i know u moan about that i know, but i cant help it guys im sometimes home from work 20:00 gmt+1 i just cant help it. and thats same problem with many of us ppl.. so i can just suggest to continue as is atm.. i start raiding when we have abt 45ppl in ally on and when i am feeling able to do it, we cant say we start daily 19:00 or daily 20:00 .. but we can say we start between 19:00 - 21:00 .. its just not possible else.. so be patient @ ally. we had some good raid tours like yesterday and it was okay.

ps. im not there today - so hf leading the raid (or pvp)
pps. my clan dont need pvp training atm cause we dont have wars and we are not nuts (ok some are )
ppps. strumfitza will do dropsharing from now on cause she dont satisfy what i do (what she told me to do)


OFC DEEPBLUE HAD TO REPLY: wtf is there not to be satisfied about.....keys are split 3 ways = fair, full drops are shared in a pre agreed order = fair, enchants etc are diced for = fair............someone plz point out what is not satisfactory in this arrangement which by all purposes was AGREED on when alliance formed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MJ Gloves -> SF
NM Gloves -> Panic
NM Shield -> Phoenix
NM Boots -> SF
MJ Ring -> Panic
MJ Ring -> Phoenix
MJ Circlet -> SF
NM Boots -> Panic
NM Shield -> Phoenix
MJ Gauntlets -> SF
MJ Necklace -> Panic
MJ Earring -> Phoenix

Next Full Drop -> SF

Oky, in terms of fulldrop, pretty fairly distributed, except for the fact that we take maj ring and maj necklace and be considerd Fulldrop, and Bungee gets only real fulldrops : MJ Gloves, MJ Circlet, MJ Gauntlets.

Still my disapointement is in terms of enchants. both Bungee and Gorran got 2 ews at the past week raids, and we get EAS, EAA. Last night, Bungee got BeaS and Gorran got Beaa. I know we kinda agreed to dice upon it, but there should be kept a count and kept at least an equilibrum. wich doesnt happend

Maybe we just ignore raiding for 3-5 days, let them kill rb alone or 4 ppl goes to rb like phoenix is doing it?
i dont like attitude from ally - it seems that bungee and gorran got some secret plan how to share drops/influence.... and this makes ally defragmened and it sucks

agree with virgin... from phoneix comes 4ppls to raid and get drops wtf why we must box covs and bla bla.. off course we geather slower cause we gop 2parties + and phoneix only 4ppls so they can come faster and we box sometimes... imo if nothing changes we need to make our own ally.. about raid time - wtf. normal ally do raid all day - ir raid is up we go.. since no full drops we get them from raids and thats better then craft.




i sugest to make ally with freedom - yesterday we saw that they are raiding with clan only...

if we make ally with freedom - we can make pvp parties and deffend them from intruders who wants to steel their rb
yesterday i saw that they got 3 heelers - 2 bp and 1 ee if we join we can make normal team

and maybe we should go and farm higher mobs, like galaxia? all we need is noobles gatechanter and then we could be very operative on that
also we can make money on ninja styling lillith - put spy there and when he got hp 1/2 jump in and take rb - not like 2 days ago - bungee fapping while all rdy and when he tells to run to raid, raid got 10% hp - ofc we fail

p.s. i dont want to be raid leader but i dont like many things in bungee EMO raid leading and drop sharing

+1

i agree, but tonight for instance Bungee wont be on. so our plan to sabotage RB wont that the full effect.

Talking about pvp parties need to learn how to make pve ally parties then pvp parties WITH ALLY not only clan.. In WF we always did that thats why we won so much sauce all ally was keeping togeather not only one clan.

And like bungee said, he don't like pvp and don't have any wars, so what point of the ally if no RB and PVP?

ME, as awnser to BUNGEE:
the terms in wich i agreed to Phoenix joining have not been fully fulfiled, the situation is not as u described at the begining.

As far as i go, it should be a lil more then luck(dice, random pickup) when distributing drops and enchants. there should be kept an account not only of the "drop" itself, but also the aproximate value. and also this should be proportional to the contribution for the killing of the raid.(measured in ppl)

i understand that "we agreed upon", but terms i simply not the same. habbits can and should be broken if they`r not efficiend for all partyes involved.

i think my sugestion of keeping VALUES into account when DECIDING what fairness is, is a reasonable and common scence proposal.




DeepBlue:(she cant stay out of it, she hates me)
As far as i go, it should be a lil more then luck(dice, random pickup) when distributing drops and enchants. there should be kept an account not only of the "drop" itself, but also the aproximate value. and also this should be proportional to the contribution for the killing of the raid.(measured in ppl)"

Sorry but I disagree about it being measured in the number of ppl becoz i could bring 20 academt mbrs and 30 support/low lvl chars who arent beneficial or of any help in the raid but becoz i out number you i get the drops....that isnt fair to all it shouldnt be measured on pure numbers of ppl.

Also if your thinking of distributing items in this way then you will need to be more flexible with your raid times so that they are convenient for ALL in ally not just urself or ur clan otherwise we could say...ok we go raiding at 8am when ur all asleep and we get drops




Me as response to Blue: (i think i know why she hates me, and she`ll hate me more after this, i cant hele it either)

Blue, please post arguements related to our real situation, not an ipotatical one, just for the sake of disagreeing.

It is fair to be measured in number of ppl as NOBODY bought academy members on raid, and i havent even brought any lvls lower then 67. And also, supports do count in number of ppl because raid could never do without them.

"Also if your thinking of distributing items in this way then you will need to be more flexible with your raid times " - no, Blue, WE ARE VERY FLEXIBILE with raid times, as WE ALWAYS CAME when YOU decided u can go, AND WE ALL STAYED TILL THE END.

BUT the time U chose is not convenient at all for us, and as we did our best to do it YOUR WAY untill now, we expect FLEXIBILITY that woudl suite our program a lil better. first rb started yesterday at 21:40. That, is, in deed, very late for starting raiding.

you example with raiding at 8 am ... is...a bluff

Hm so lets raid in 8 am i wana see them online :D
Or they just called our clan low lvls? hmm..
/leaveally ?
/war seleenfeuer ?
vote for :D i get mad @ begging of them dunno about others
but i can't do nothing there im just one person who saying my thoughts
for me raids in 20:30 PM gmt+2 is too late like for others maby..
I have seen many other good clans in SF ally like RissingDarknes they didn't was in their ally for long time, hmm dunno why..

so if we leave ally and give them war they wont accept anyway.. so no point in that .. i hate theyr covers both of them real smartasses
i pk`ed one of them (diamond) in IT he refused to cast cov coz i was pink and i died bcoz of that
when bish res`ed me i pk`ed him
in that second deepbleu pm`ed me to explain my action .. like it wasnt clear enough
they all suck .. allsmartasses and +1 @ eksodus i agree .. i think they have a secret plan with pheonix ;) dunno to make then stronger
in the night that strumf was not online i was at drop split and i was amased in the way they share drops
maknd random party and droping and picking up enchants or others drops from raid..the idea sux when u have 3 ppl in party
i told bungee "dude if u want a real random sharing u need 2 ppl from sf 2 ppl from panic and gorran" and they both jumped me like i was doing a crime :(
now..my vote is leaving ally they dont help us in was they dont help us in farm...they dont help us in anything

last night i had a talk with bungee, he agreed to dismiss Phoenix if they dont improveactivity at raid. I asked him for a deadline, after a number of hesitation, he agreed to wendsday deadline.
as for drop splitting he kinda agreed to my arguements: 2 maj earring= maj gloves(aproximate value), so he agreed that droping order shoulnt be the only criterium for spliting, also with enchants. but he just wants to make it simple and easy, so from now on i`ll split the drops.


also, i had a talk with deepblue, we both agreed that our flaming and contradictions on ally chat are an issue, and that she should stop it :P (i asked bungee to tell her that, as she has no authority on me. i also asked him to deny her the right of using caps lock on ally chat, cause that is iritating and disrespectful to u guys, he agreed)
also, i asked her to keep her authority inside the clan, to stop picking on u, cause u`ll never respond positively to that.
we had a pretty decent talk, we agreed...in lack of alternatives to GATHERING at 20:45 and startign first kill at max 21:00.
U saw they dont come online earlyer then that, and i got positive awnsers to my other requests, so i made some compromises on our behalf.

guys, i wanna keep farming these rb up untill we can stand on our own, with a destro pt. Hopefully when 4 destros will be lvl 65 we will start making lvl 65-70 rb on our own.
Still, if Phoenix is not dismissed on wendsday, we will leave ally.

u did rly nice job
deepblue must know that she is not some GodMother and cannot give orders
i hope bungee shows his backbone and dismisses phoneix, then we could take free in ally and farm rb who are higher level for s grade drops

i like to fight with deepblue .. bcoz i dont understant where she stands :P and i can flame on her BIG TIME :D
she sais i will be pk`ed on next encounter still we met 2 times and she said hello to me )